This interview with David Wilcock and Winston Shrout is intense.

I just finished my first listen and at one point in the second hour I actually wanted to throw my mp3 player out the window (I listened while driving)!

I was thinking that this Shrout guy was full of BS. But I kept listening, and am so glad I did. My upset was based upon my own misunderstanding, which was a big relief, lol!

Note added May 3: I have decided that I am in disagreement with Winston on a few things. Not his understanding of Admiralty or any other law. I will write another post to explain, after I finish my notes.

What follows here are some of my notes on the conversation, made on my second listen to the interview. It will span at least two posts.

At the start, David sets the stage with a brief overview of his epic Financial Tyranny expose.

Apparently all of the bankers of the world were convinced that the only way to avoid a WWII was to hand over their gold to the central bankers. Countries who declined were plundered. Likely you know that they started WWI in purpose – all of the wars, actually…for money – sigh.

Then the gold was supposedly put on deposit with the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) and the Federal Reserve issued bonds to the people whose gold was taken, in proportion to what was taken.

The part that so many people don’t understand is the actual amount of gold involved. David says 2.5 million metric tonnes. David was blasted for stating this, by people online saying there is no way there is this much gold.

It may be that the bulk of the gold is possibly still in the ground in a mine in Asia, if I understand this correctly.

Enter Winston -

Winston made it clear that he is not an attorney (yay!) and that if we need to put a label on him, he suggested “non-union lawyer.” He says he is self-taught, hasn’t gone to law school and has no degrees in law.

Controversy over using Commercial Liens

David said to Winston “You are representing an alliance of 138 nations…” talked about the bonds, and how all of the media is saying it is fraudulent (no way! Way;) ect.

The mass arrests are going to be accomplished through the use of Admiralty Law.

But you can’t do what they did with regular corporate law. It is what is used since before the times of pirates which were created by the illuminati…

Apex of the story is how we will bring peace to the world.

Winston says and I am NOT transcribing word for word:

About the word fraud -

All commerce is actually done in fraud. Because we are dealing with weights and measures (?) …we assign numbers to something that exists in reality, consequently it is an abstract of that, or a fiction, what we call a fraud.

This is the method we use unless it unjures a “real man” (or woman!). In that case we stop the fraud, we redress the injury and then go back to doing fraud because that is the method we have, using abstracts instead of reality.

Winston says this “dealing in frauds” is OK, “unless it injures.”

My guess is that this stems from the English common law, which, unless their is an injured party or property damage, there is no crime.

He then talks about the difference between commerce and trade. Commerce was originally in reference to the King and his concerns, while trade referred to merchants.

The two are now melded together because merchants are using the “King’s currency” in their trade. Because most of the world is dealing in Federal Reserve Notes, aka US dollars.

Enforced through the Admiralty.

At this point everyone uses Admiralty to enforce their Maritime contracts.

David goes on to ask how we, the listener can be sure that Winston is not full of BS.

He compares law to a toolbox. And Admiralty law is the best tool for the results they are looking for in this situation.

Which is why they resorted to a commercial lien took in regards to the 2.5 million metric tonnes of gold that is in question here.

My notes – liens are being used because the gold is tangible – it is real, it exists in the real world, as opposed to the fictions or frauds he mentions above, and the theft of the gold harms “real men.”

They are asking for a tangible, real, elemental payment in gold, rather than a fraudulent payment in “U.S. Dollars” or other fiat currency or computer entry. A payment that the banks must either pay or refute. Neither of which they can do, from what has and is being shared.

Back to the interview.

David wants to know how we listeners can learn more about Admiralty Law, to prove to ourselves it is real.

Winston says that the best place to start learning more abut Admiralty Law is by reading the King James version of the Bible. Particularly the Garden of Eden story, and the concepts of bankruptcy.

Now I know the story of Adam and Eve, but I had trouble relating it to what Winston said (min 20:30 on recording 1). Please listen for yourself and comment if you get it!

David isn’t psyched about this and says so.

Winston explains why this is the best place to start, and after a bit more explanation, it makes more sense.

My note: Winston sounds very confident and does not waffle when David probes for more clarity.

He makes it clear he is not trying to promote Christianity, just that this happens to be the basis for our laws. It would be different if this nation were not founded upon Christianity.

Winston emphasizes that the KJV was created for and authorized to be used, in the courts.

From recording 1. Stopped at 22:46.

Get both mp3′s here: http://divinecosmos.com/winston2012.zip

More tomorrow.